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 Post subject: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:45 am 
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WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama is arguing that looming government-wide spending cuts could idle military resources like naval aircraft carriers, while Republicans are criticizing the president for taking his arguments outside Washington instead of staying to work out a plan before Friday's deadline.
The president planned to appear Tuesday at Virginia's largest industrial employer, Newport News Shipbuilding, which would be affected by cuts to naval spending. Obama warned Monday that if the so-called sequester goes into effect later this week, the company's "workers will sit idle when they should be repairing ships, and a carrier sits idle when it should be deploying to the Persian Gulf."

Didn't the moron say during the debates that we don't need many ships anymore?


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 Post subject: Re: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
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He's a moron. Do you really expect him to keep track of the lies he tells.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
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He seems to be stuck in the campaign mode. All he has done since he won reelection is bad mouth the GOP.
I truly believe that he and the left is on a singular mission to discredit the GOP and shift any and all blame to them for whatever happens in D.C. in the near future. This is a long term plan of the Democratic party to so thoroughly discredit the Republicans in the public's eye that the left will take back the House in 2014 and then they will have two years to jam more liberal agenda down our throats like they they did with Obamacare.
I really think that is his one and only goal at this time, the administration and the Democratic party isn't seriously planning to get any government business done until after the 2014 elections, so they will not compromise with the GOP and then they will direct their quite capable PR machine to deflect blame for the inaction to the GOP.
That may sound a little paranoid but it's just the way I see it. But I hope I'm wrong because that certainly isn't any way to run this country and a lot of damage will be done by 2016.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
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I see the same thing Seif. :cry: :cry: :cry:


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 Post subject: Re: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
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Huh? wrote:
I see the same thing Seif. :cry: :cry: :cry:


Ditto.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
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The Sequester is a manufactured crisis ? from today paper pretty much puts it in perspective~~ Even during this desultory economic recovery, one industry thrives -- the manufacture of synthetic hysteria. It is, however, inaccurate to accuse the Hysteric in Chief of crying “Wolf!“ about spending cuts under the sequester. He is actually crying “Hamster!“ As in: Batten down the hatches -- the sequester will cut $85 billion from this year’s $3.6 trillion budget! Or: Head for the storm cellar -- spending will be cut 2.3 percent! Or: Washington chainsaw massacre -- we must scrape by on 97.7 percent of current spending! Or: Chaos is coming because the sequester will cut a sum $25 billion larger than was just shoveled out the door (supposedly, but not actually) for victims of storm Sandy! Or: Heaven forfend, the sequester will cut 47 percent as much as was spent on the AIG bailout! Or: Famine, pestilence and locusts will come when the sequester causes federal spending over 10 years to plummet from $46 trillion all the way down to $44.8 trillion! Or: Grass will grow in the streets of America’s cities if the domestic agencies whose budgets have increased 17 percent under President Obama must endure a 5 percent cut!

The sequester has forced liberals to clarify their conviction that whatever the government’s size is at any moment, it is the bare minimum necessary to forestall intolerable suffering. At his unintentionally hilarious hysteria session last Tuesday, Obama said: The sequester’s “meat-cleaver approach“ of “severe,“ “arbitrary“ and “brutal“ cuts will “eviscerate“ education, energy and medical research spending. “And already, the threat of these cuts has forced the Navy to delay an aircraft carrier that was supposed to deploy to the Persian Gulf.“

“Forced“? The Navy did indeed cite the sequester when delaying deployment of the USS Truman. In the high-stakes pressure campaign against Iran’s nuclear weapons program, U.S. policy has been to have two carriers in nearby waters. Yet the Navy is saying it cannot find cuts to programs or deployments less essential than the Truman deployment. The Navy’s participation in the political campaign to pressure Congress into unraveling the sequester is crude, obvious and shameful, and should earn the Navy’s budget especially skeptical scrutiny by Congress.

The Defense Department’s civilian employment has grown 17 percent since 2002. In 2012, DOD spending on civilian personnel was 21 percent higher than in 2002. And the Truman must stay in Norfolk? This is, strictly speaking, unbelievable.

The sequester’s critics correctly say it is not the most intelligent way to prune government; priorities among programs should be set. But such critics are utopians if they are waiting for the arrival of intelligent government. The real choice today is between bigger or smaller unintelligent government.

Obama, who believes government spends money more constructively than do those who earn it, warns that the sequester’s budgetary nicks, amounting to one half of 1 percent of gross domestic product, will derail the economy. A similar jeremiad was heard in 1943 when economist Paul Samuelson, whose Keynesian assumptions have trickled down to Obama, said postwar cuts in government would mean “the greatest period of unemployment and industrial dislocation which any economy has ever faced.“

Federal spending did indeed shrink an enormous 40 percent in one year. And the economy boomed.

Because crises are government’s excuse for growing, liberalism’s motto is: Never let a crisis go unfabricated. But its promiscuous production of crises has made them boring.

Remember when, in the 1980s, thousands died from cancers caused by insufficient regulation of the chemical Alar sprayed on apples? No, you don’t because this alarming prediction fizzled. Alar was not, after all, a risk.

Remember when “a major cooling of the climate“ was “widely considered inevitable“ (New York Times, May 21, 1975) with “extensive Northern Hemisphere glaciation“ (Science magazine, Dec. 10, 1976) which must “stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery“ (International Wildlife, July 1975)? Remember reports that “the world’s climatologists are agreed“ that we must “prepare for the next ice age“ (Science Digest, February 1973)? Armadillos were leaving Nebraska, heading south, and heat-loving snails were scampering southward from European forests (Christian Science Monitor, Aug. 27, 1974). Newsweek (April 28, 1975) said meteorologists were “almost unanimous“ that cooling would “reduce agricultural productivity.“ Today, while Obama prepares a governmental power grab to combat global warming, sensible Americans, tuckered out with apocalypse fatigue, are yawning through the catastrophe du jour, the sequester. They say: Cry “Havoc!“ and let slip the hamsters of sequestration.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
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Sad, hard reality is that those ship builders are not employed in the most lucrative professions as determined by the free market.

How many of you would buy an aircraft carrier? Or an F/A-18 for that matter?

But when the govt takes our money and spends it on these things, resources flock to those endeavors, taking away from where people would otherwise spend their money.

Do we need these things? Yes, but in what amount? How much was sucked out of the economy for the F-22 and directed to congressional districts?

Govt spending on all but the bare essentials for protecting liberty is just broken window theory.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:16 pm 
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bfranklin wrote:
Sad, hard reality is that those ship builders are not employed in the most lucrative professions as determined by the free market.

How many of you would buy an aircraft carrier? Or an F/A-18 for that matter?

But when the govt takes our money and spends it on these things, resources flock to those endeavors, taking away from where people would otherwise spend their money.

Do we need these things? Yes, but in what amount? How much was sucked out of the economy for the F-22 and directed to congressional districts?

Govt spending on all but the bare essentials for protecting liberty is just broken window theory.

I worked there about a dozen years ago. The Navy was a large part of their business, but not all of it. Don't know if things have changed or not but they used to build double-hull oil tankers and did a lot of repair and refitting of cruise ships in addition to their Navy work.

But all these prophesies of doom are nothing but a crock of obama anyway. There are no real budget "cuts". The $87 billion, or whatever the amount, represents the annual decrease in the rate of growth over the next 10 years. Also, the executive branch has a lot of discretion over where the spending decreases will be applied. So if government employees are furloughed, women and children are left to starve, and life as we know it comes to an end, it's because that's what Obama chose to do. And it will occur over time. The world won't end Friday morning.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
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Vic wrote:
Didn't the moron say during the debates that we don't need many ships anymore?


No..He simply replied to Mitch's comment about having fewer ships since 1916 (which is a lie) Mitch thought he could win Virginia by bringing up this subject ,But it back fired.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
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Rudey wrote:
it's because that's what Obama chose to do



174...Republicans voted yes
95.... Democrats voted yes

These are the people who voted for the budget control act

These people should fix it ,Rudey we laugh how you and others blame one person..It will cost you guys again in 2014 & 2016

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 Post subject: Re: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
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Dancer wrote:
Rudey wrote:
it's because that's what Obama chose to do



174...Republicans voted yes
95.... Democrats voted yes

These are the people who voted for the budget control act

These people should fix it ,Rudey we laugh how you and others blame one person..It will cost you guys again in 2014 & 2016


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Also, the executive branch has a lot of discretion over where the spending decreases will be applied. So if government employees are furloughed, women and children are left to starve, and life as we know it comes to an end, it's because that's what Obama chose to do.

CONTEXT, OBAMA-FOR-BRAINS!!


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 Post subject: Re: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
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I have a hard time having sympathy for employees who will only have a 4-day work week as a furlough. It's better than days or weeks off in a row with NO pay. Or better yet, working & not getting paid.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
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Rudey wrote:

Rudey wrote:
Also, the executive branch has a lot of discretion over where the spending decreases will be applied. So if government employees are furloughed, women and children are left to starve, and life as we know it comes to an end, it's because that's what Obama chose to do.

CONTEXT, OBAMA-FOR-BRAINS!!


Show us examples Rudey?

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 Post subject: Re: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
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Dancer wrote:
No..He simply replied to Mitch's comment about having fewer ships since 1916 (which is a lie) Mitch thought he could win Virginia by bringing up this subject ,But it back fired.


In the debate, Obama said: "The question is not a game of Battleship, where we are counting ships.”

So why is Obama counting ships now?


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 Post subject: Re: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
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Vic wrote:
In the debate, Obama said: "The question is not a game of Battleship, where we are counting ships.”

So why is Obama counting ships now?


He is thinking of the workers welfare.. Rudey has explained that the executive branch could stop this ,If true it would of happened already..The only ones counting ships is Vic & Mitch and that plan belly flopped once before.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
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Dancer wrote:
He is thinking of the workers welfare.

He may be thinking about workers' welfare, but he sure as hell isn't doing anything about it. Look at the unemployment numbers the entire time he's been president. And see what happens when his assinine "Obamacare" goes into effect.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
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Vic wrote:
He may be thinking about workers' welfare, but he sure as hell isn't doing anything about it. Look at the unemployment numbers the entire time he's been president. And see what happens when his assinine "Obamacare" goes into effect.

We are satisfied with your typical reply
And you will see what happens
A 12 year recess is soon coming

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 Post subject: Re: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
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bfranklin wrote:
Sad, hard reality is that those ship builders are not employed in the most lucrative professions as determined by the free market.


Govt spending on all but the bare essentials for protecting liberty is just broken window theory.



EXACTLY!!!!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
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Dancer wrote:
Vic wrote:
In the debate, Obama said: "The question is not a game of Battleship, where we are counting ships.”

So why is Obama counting ships now?


He is thinking of the workers welfare.. Rudey has explained that the executive branch could stop this ,If true it would of happened already..The only ones counting ships is Vic & Mitch and that plan belly flopped once before.


There are a couple of bills to be introduced in the Senate today that will allow the Obama administration to decide were many of the cuts will be made but Obama is already on record as being against the idea and it's not hard to figure out why, if he has to choose where the cuts are to be made then he will not be able to blame it on the GOP, of course he's the one who signed it into law in the first place.
I had read somewhere (don't remember where) a couple of weeks ago that Obama already has some latitude on where the cuts will be made, but I can't find it now.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
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He's already turning loose illegals awaiting deportation, it's all scare tactics, and Dancer again who is "Mitch " you keep tlaking about ~~~~ Batten down the hatches -- the sequester will cut $85 billion from this year’s $3.6 trillion budget! Or: Head for the storm cellar -- spending will be cut 2.3 percent! Or: Washington chainsaw massacre -- we must scrape by on 97.7 percent of current spending! Or: Chaos is coming because the sequester will cut a sum $25 billion larger than was just shoveled out the door (supposedly, but not actually) for victims of storm Sandy! Or: Heaven forfend, the sequester will cut 47 percent as much as was spent on the AIG bailout! Or: Famine, pestilence and locusts will come when the sequester causes federal spending over 10 years to plummet from $46 trillion all the way down to $44.8 trillion! Or: Grass will grow in the streets of America’s cities if the domestic agencies whose budgets have increased 17 percent under President Obama must endure a 5 percent cut!

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 Post subject: Re: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
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Newspolice wrote:
He's already turning loose illegals awaiting deportation

Do you know that by the end of this year this administration will have deported around 2 million?

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 Post subject: Re: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
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I find it unseemly for a president of the United States to be constantly crying wolf.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
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TheSeif wrote:
I had read somewhere (don't remember where) a couple of weeks ago that Obama already has some latitude on where the cuts will be made, but I can't find it now.


http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/2/905

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 Post subject: Re: Obama warns spending cuts could idle shipbuilder
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Vic wrote:
I find it unseemly for a president of the United States to be constantly crying wolf.
Hence a President without a seemly plan.

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