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 Post subject: Contraception for women
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:24 am 
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:shock: What day and age do people think we live in if women cannot choose for themselves.This is a slap in the face to women.Do these catholic churche's insurance pay for the "little blue pill" for men? People complain about bad parents but won't let people choose what is best for them.Women do have brains and are not less of a human than a man.They pay for men to get an erection but don't want to pay for the consequences of what happens after. Why is it always the womans problem after she is pregnant or she should have never gotten pregnant if she does not want the baby but then no one wants insurance coverage for preventage."double standards does not work for this" Men should be a little more of a preventor of pregnancy also.Obvious that they aren't innocent,they don't want to use a condom because it doesn't 'feel normal'.


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 Post subject: Re: Contraception for women
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:57 pm 
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The catholic church believes if you shouldn't have anymore kids, you won't get pregnant regardless. And if you get pregnant it's meant to be. They feel birth control is interferring w/gods will.

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 Post subject: Re: Contraception for women
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:25 pm 
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Why should insurance be paying for any of this? What's next, making State Farm pay for oil changes, new wiper blades and state inspections? No one cares who you spread your legs for. No one is trying to stop you from doing anything. Just pay your own freight.


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 Post subject: Re: Contraception for women
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:40 pm 
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Why! wrote:
Women do have brains and are not less of a human than a man. Why is it always the womans problem after she is pregnant or she should have never gotten pregnant.. Men should be a little more of a preventor of pregnancy also.


Unfortunately Why! this type of barbarian thinking has gone on forever. It started with the cavemen and then our Founding Fathers continued this practice and still goes on today

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 Post subject: Re: Contraception for women
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:55 pm 
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No one is stopping anyone from obtaining birth control, it has been readily available to everyone in this country who wants it for many years.


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 Post subject: Re: Contraception for women
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Some posters act as if there are no child-support laws.


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 Post subject: Re: Contraception for women
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:09 pm 
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Rudey wrote:
Why should insurance be paying for any of this? What's next, making State Farm pay for oil changes, new wiper blades and state inspections? No one cares who you spread your legs for. No one is trying to stop you from doing anything. Just pay your own freight.

So then why does insurance pay for VIAGRA and noone says a word! If it can't get up anymore i would say that is GODS WILL ALSO. :?:


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 Post subject: Re: Contraception for women
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:17 am 
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Why! wrote:
So then why does insurance pay for VIAGRA and noone says a word! If it can't get up anymore i would say that is GODS WILL ALSO. :?:


You do realize the topic you posted was labeled "Contraception for women"?
If you were looking for a broader spectrum in the conversation perhaps you could have tryed "BS covered by insurance", "Does insurance really have to cover this?", "What exactly should insurance cover?"
I'm sure at one point some of us have covered the topic quite extensively. Might have been the old board too however.

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 Post subject: Re: Contraception for women
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:26 am 
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Why! wrote:
Rudey wrote:
Why should insurance be paying for any of this? What's next, making State Farm pay for oil changes, new wiper blades and state inspections? No one cares who you spread your legs for. No one is trying to stop you from doing anything. Just pay your own freight.

So then why does insurance pay for VIAGRA and noone says a word! If it can't get up anymore i would say that is GODS WILL ALSO. :?:

I'm not so sure that no one complains. You're complaining. Sexual dysfunction is a valid medical condition. Pregnancy is not some disease you need to be immunized against. There are some medical conditions for which women are prescribed birth-control pills because they have been found to be an effective treatment for that condition. In those cases they should be covered in the same manner that a particular plan covers other prescription drugs. Religious institutions, including the Catholic Church, have no problem with that.


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 Post subject: Re: Contraception for women
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:53 am 
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It seems logical to me that if the Catholic church is against things that prevent conception, they would be FOR something that might help conception, such as Viagra.


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 Post subject: Re: Contraception for women
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:36 pm 
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Vic wrote:
It seems logical to me that if the Catholic church is against things that prevent conception, they would be FOR something that might help conception, such as Viagra.

:lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Contraception for women
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The contraception "argument" was merely substituted to displace the abortion argument. They (liberals) simply needed a new strategy.

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 Post subject: Re: Contraception for women
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:48 pm 
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The issue is financial not religious. I have watched numerous live debates about the issue on various news sources and it always starts out as religious freedoms being invaded, and then is countered, and then the next line is always

"well who is going to pay for it"

Ok if the issue is cost then make it about cost, do not disguise the issue as religious to fire people up.

What is a bit odd though is many that oppose the contraceptive bill here in PA, because of the "who will pay for it" stance are not opposed to the "Ultrasound before abortion" bill being presented.

Who is going to pay for that?

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 Post subject: Re: Contraception for women
PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:43 am 
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Darrell wrote:
Who is going to pay for that?


Apparently we are.
You can however have one group of people who make the argument of who's paying for it and yet another who opposes it on the grounds of constitutionally protected religious beliefs.
I'm not particularly religious but agree with both arguments. My main beef happens to be who's paying for it however.
The whole concept of "insurance" has been perverted. Not only is it responsible for it's original charter it also subsidizes life choices. It's not "health" insurance any more, it's lifestyle insurance. Lose your hair due to chemo? We'll buy your wig. Can't get it up? We got your Viagra covered. Want to screw around? We've got your birth control and abortions too. Yeah I know "rape", "incest". I guarantee lifestyle is the main reason for both by a wide margin. But lifestyle is intentionally hidden behind both rape and incest in that argument.
Keep in mind all this money that's wasted on lifestyle is drained from the same account that covers cancer, cleft palette, neurological disorders, etc. It's our priorities that are driving the cost. It's our priorities that are retarded.

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 Post subject: Re: Contraception for women
PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:55 pm 
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The pre-abortion sonigram/ultrasound (what really is the difference anyway) is just meant to be punishment by the religious fanatics. No one has the right to tell a woman she can't have an abortion or make a law against it. No one has the right to push their personal beliefs on anyone, whether religous, political or moral. Just because one has a belief or opinion, don't make it a right or correct one.

I have never been pro-abortion. I have always been pro-choice. My body, my rights, my feelings, my beliefs. My choice not to birth a rapeist's spawn. My choice not to be a single parent to a rapeist's spawn. My choice not to believe a religious fanatics belief that the conception was "meant to be". Of course, if I were raped, I'd use the Plan B method anyway.

As far as birth control. Every woman has a right to it, but I don't think insurance companies should be forced to provide it for free. When I was 18 I went to Planned Parenthood & it cost me $11/month based on my income. If you had no income, it was free. But religious & prolife fanatics CHOOSE to make claims that PP is ONLY about abortions & would prefer they not exist to help society by offering the MANY MANY MANY other services they provide, most especially to low income families.

If you want something, you'll pay for it. If a religious organizations insurance doesn't want to cover ANY prescription, that's their right. If your insurance doesn't offer to cover or pay for birth control, even partially, & you want it, toughsh!t. Pay for it yourself or find an employer that has insurance that will cover it. I personally feel insurance in general should always provide preventative coverage first (birth control) in order to prevent higher expenses (the birth of a baby or abortion). That's why I took preventative measures. I did not want to be a single parent, nor was I ready to be a parent. Both financially & personally. But I also did not have the selfish, immature mentality that too many females (i say females cause I believe just cause you can birth doesn't make you a true woman) have when it comes to babies. I KNOW getting pregnant or having a baby will not make a man want you more & that it will ONLY deprive that child if the right they have to a good life & a father that actually chose to be a father. Babies should not be brought in to this world with a job to hold a man or provide a welfare check.

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 Post subject: Re: Contraception for women
PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:34 pm 
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I am personally "limited" pro-choice

What that means is I do not believe abortion should be used as birth control, however, I am not in the position to tell a woman what to do. In the case of incest, rape or certain death I believe it has its place. I am not for late term abortions at all.

In my opinion better support and understanding from families during a girl/woman's pregnancy and real education (starting at home with parents) to kids before the pregnancy occurs would be HUGE abortion reducing actions.

Imagine if the "oh my God you're burning in hell parent's would accept what happened, yea it sucked but accept it, how much lower the rate would be. There is no undoing it, except via abortion, so if you stand against abortion then stand in support of what is at hand. You don't have to like it, but offer support or risk pushing someone to the brink of doing something like abortion.

Let's be honest with ourselves, at age 14 we all wanted to have sex, we need to realize our kids are no different so it is on us to educate them and participate in their lives. \

Do NOT make the phrase "educate them" into condoning them having sex, that is not what I said so don't do it.

Again, just my opinions on the subject.

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 Post subject: Re: Contraception for women
PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:12 pm 
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Darrell wrote:
Let's be honest with ourselves, at age 14 we all wanted to have sex, we need to realize our kids are no different so it is on us to educate them and participate in their lives.

NO WE ALL didn't, & kids today are WAY different. At 14 my friends & I were not concerned about sex, if any of us really knew much about it to begin with, aside from a pamphlet were were given w/diagrams of anatomy. We were in about 8th grade & that's around the average age girls get their periods for the first time. Female sex hormones aren't active from birth. But that was the 80's, when kids our age did age appropriate things & sex was not thrown in our face by fashion, videos, music, BAD reality TV & internet.

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 Post subject: Re: Contraception for women
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LocalGrown wrote:
Darrell wrote:
Let's be honest with ourselves, at age 14 we all wanted to have sex, we need to realize our kids are no different so it is on us to educate them and participate in their lives.

NO WE ALL didn't, & kids today are WAY different. At 14 my friends & I were not concerned about sex, if any of us really knew much about it to begin with, aside from a pamphlet were were given w/diagrams of anatomy. We were in about 8th grade & that's around the average age girls get their periods for the first time. Female sex hormones aren't active from birth. But that was the 80's, when kids our age did age appropriate things & sex was not thrown in our face by fashion, videos, music, BAD reality TV & internet.



You may not have been concerned personally and put thought into it, and if you're female it was probably a lot different than boys, but by nature our bodies develop for it at that age. Naturally we all "wanted" to have sex, our bodies told us that, whether we did it or not was up to us. But I will speak for ALL males, we wanted to have sex at age 14, whether we found willing partners may be a different story, you know who you are! I kid I kid...

The average female goes through puberty between 10-14 (9-15 in boys) so in the case of a "late bloomer" they may not be as affected.[size=50](http://www.avert.org/puberty-girls.htm)[/size]

Teenage sex is certainly not new, nor is teenage preganancy and I grew up in the 80's and I disagree that we did the appropriate things, lol.

The 1990's (age of the internet, reality TV, etc) saw a decline in pregnancy. And all of the things you mentioned are able to be battled by parental involvement. This is a common blame that somehow our society made us worse, but the statistics show the more we discussed it the more we prevented it (see web link below, the 1950's were the highest teen pregnancy rates in recorded history).

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/05/1/gr050107.pdf

Key Trends Over Time
Childbearing. The rate of teen childbearing in the United
States has fallen steeply since the late 1950s, from an all
time high of 96 births per 1,000 women aged 15–19 in
1957 to an all time low of 49 in 2000 (see chart).
Birthrates fell steadily throughout the 1960s and 1970s;
they were fairly steady in the early 1980s and then rose
sharply between 1988 and 1991 before declining
throughout the 1990s. In recent years, this downward
trend has occurred among teens of all ages and races.

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 Post subject: Re: Contraception for women
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I think the decline from what i hear from younger people is because they don't want to bring a child into this crazy world anymore.They don't want to put a child thru worse things than is already going on now. Sad but true. :cry: They are afraid of not having a job with good health ins. and the cost of raising a child with a nice house in a nice neighborhood and still being able to live a half descent life really troubles them. I know personally my kids don't want to fail at something they think was successful for there parents.


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 Post subject: Re: Contraception for women
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Why! wrote:
I think the decline from what i hear from younger people is because they don't want to bring a child into this crazy world anymore.They don't want to put a child thru worse things than is already going on now. Sad but true. :cry: They are afraid of not having a job with good health ins. and the cost of raising a child with a nice house in a nice neighborhood and still being able to live a half descent life really troubles them. I know personally my kids don't want to fail at something they think was successful for there parents.



That is very possible "Why!" and it could also be that there seems to be an increase of infertile people. Who knows for sure.

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 Post subject: Re: Contraception for women
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Darrell wrote:
Why! wrote:
I think the decline from what i hear from younger people is because they don't want to bring a child into this crazy world anymore.They don't want to put a child thru worse things than is already going on now. Sad but true. :cry: They are afraid of not having a job with good health ins. and the cost of raising a child with a nice house in a nice neighborhood and still being able to live a half descent life really troubles them. I know personally my kids don't want to fail at something they think was successful for there parents.


That is very possible "Why!" and it could also be that there seems to be an
increase of infertile people. Who knows for sure
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:o it's the Chemtrails they told me last nite :shock: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Contraception for women
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I don't know about just women, but once you reach age 15, all men and women should be mandatorily required to recieve a "chemical castrations" shot which lasts 1 year, each year and every year till they are able to support a child or family. No ifs, ands or buts!


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