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 Post subject: Re: NRA's ad with the President's Daughters
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:23 pm 
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Show you that it's a plausible scenario? All you have to do is pay attention to the news.

Hit the hay..LOL

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 Post subject: Re: NRA's ad with the President's Daughters
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Dancer wrote:
Hit the hay..LOL

That sounds like the remark of somebody who realizes he's wrong...again.
By the way, why are you "hidden"? LOL


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 Post subject: Re: NRA's ad with the President's Daughters
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:54 pm 
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That sounds like the remark of somebody who realizes he's wrong...again.
By the way, why are you "hidden"? LOL

Rudey wanted it..Now you got it

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 Post subject: Re: NRA's ad with the President's Daughters
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Dancer wrote:
Vic wrote:

They could be planning to launch an EMP attack against us. Shortly after that, you would no longer be able to buy food from a store or restaurant. Obama doesn't care, he and his family will be taken care of. Normally, I wouldn't believe that anything like this could ever happen. But with a president as weak as Obama, it is becoming a plausible scenario.

Bla Blah..you predicted all kinds of stuff...But it never happened..And I can prove it


Tell you what, listen to Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity and or Rush, you'll get the picture as you see a MUSHROOM CLOUD OVER YOUR HOUSE.

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 Post subject: Re: NRA's ad with the President's Daughters
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Tell you what, listen to Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity and or Rush, you'll get the picture

This is the picture that I get of them

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 Post subject: Re: NRA's ad with the President's Daughters
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:25 pm 
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Dancer wrote:
Show us/me

Show you that it's a plausible scenario? All you have to do is pay attention to the news.

~~~ We don't have to wait for Iran or N.Korea ,maybe ~~~~~~~~~ One EMP burst and the world goes dark
There is talk of catastrophe ahead, depending on whom you believe, because of the threat of an electromagnetic pulse triggered by either a supersized solar storm or terrorist A-bomb, both capable of disabling the electric grid that powers modern life.

Electromagnetic pulses (EMP) are oversized outbursts of atmospheric electricity. Whether powered by geomagnetic storms or by nuclear blasts, their resultant intense magnetic fields can induce ground currents strong enough to burn out power lines and electrical equipment across state lines.

The threat has even become political fodder, drawing warnings from former House speaker Newt Gingrich, a likely presidential contender.

"We are not today hardened against this," he told a Heritage Foundation audience last year. "It is an enormous catastrophic threat."

Meanwhile, in Congress, a "Grid Act" bill aimed at the threat awaits Senate action, having passed in the House of Representatives.

Fear is evident. With the sun's 11-year solar cycle ramping up for its stormy maximum in 2012, and nuclear concerns swirling about Iran and North Korea, a drumbeat of reports and blue-ribbon panels center on electromagnetic pulse scenarios.

"We're taking this seriously," says Ed Legge of the Edison Electric Institute in Washington, which represents utilities. He points to a North American Electric Reliability Corp. (NERC) report in June, conducted with the Energy Department, that found pulse threats to the grid "may be much greater than anticipated."

There are "some important reasons for concern," says physicist Yousaf Butt of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Mass. "But there is also a lot of fluff."

At risk are the more than 200,000 miles of high-voltage transmission lines that cross North America, supplying 1,800 utilities the power for TVs, lights, refrigerators and air conditioners in homes, and for the businesses, hospitals and police stations that take care of us all.

"The electric grid's vulnerability to cyber and to other attacks is one of the single greatest threats to our national security," Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., said in June as he introduced the bill to the House of Representatives.

Markey and others point to the August 2003 blackout that struck states from Michigan to Massachusetts, and southeastern Canada, as a sign of the grid's vulnerability. Triggered by high-voltage lines stretched by heat until they sagged onto overgrown tree branches, the two-day blackout shut down 100 power plants, cut juice to about 55 million people and cost $6 billion, says the 2004 U.S.-Canada Power System Outage Task Force.

Despite the costs, most of them from lost work, a National Center for Environmental Health report in 2005 found "minimal" death or injuries tied directly to the 2003 blackout — a few people died in carbon monoxide poisonings as a result of generators running in their homes or from fires started from candles. But the effects were pervasive: Television and radio stations went off the air in Detroit, traffic lights and train lines stopped running in New York, turning Manhattan into the world's largest pedestrian mall, and water had to be boiled after water mains lost pressure in Cleveland.

Simple physics, big worry

The electromagnetic pulse threat is a function of simple physics: Electromagnetic pulses and geomagnetic storms can alter Earth's magnetic field. Changing magnetic fields in the atmosphere, in turn, can trigger surging currents in power lines.

"It is a well-understood phenomenon," says Butt, who this year reviewed geomagnetic and nuke blast worries in The Space Review.

Two historic incidents often figure in the discussion:

• On July 9, 1962, the Atomic Energy Commission and the Defense Atomic Support Agency detonated the Starfish Prime, a 1.4-megaton H-bomb test at an altitude of 250 miles, some 900 miles southwest of Hawaii over the Pacific Ocean. The pulse shorted out streetlights in Oahu.

• On March 9, 1989, the sun spat a million-mile-wide blast of high-temperature charged solar gas straight at the Earth. The "coronal mass ejection" struck the planet three days later, triggering a geomagnetic storm that made the northern lights visible in Texas. The storm also induced currents in Quebec's power grid that knocked out power for 6 million people in Canada and the USA for at least nine hours."A lot of the questions are what steps does it make sense to take," Legge says. "We could effectively gold-plate every component in the system, but the cost would mean that people can't afford the rates that would result to pay for it."

"The high-altitude nuclear-weapon-generated electromagnetic pulse is one of a small number of threats that has the potential to hold our society seriously at risk," concluded a 2008 EMP Commission report headed by William Graham, a former science adviser to President Reagan.

The terror effect

In the nuclear scenario, the detonation of an atomic bomb anywhere from 25 to 500 miles high electrifies, or ionizes, the atmosphere about 25 miles up, triggering a series of electromagnetic pulses. The pulse's reach varies with the size of the bomb, the height of its blast and design.

Gingrich last year cited the EMP Commission report in warning, "One weapon of this kind that went off over Omaha would eliminate most of the electrical production in the United States."

But some take issue with that.

"You would really need something the size of a Soviet H-bomb to have effects that cross many states," Butt says. The massive Starfish Prime blast, he notes, was at least 70 times more powerful than the atomic bomb detonated over Hiroshima in 1945, and it may have blown out streetlights but it left the grid in Hawaii intact.

One complication for rogue nations or terrorists contemplating a high-altitude nuclear blast is that such an attack requires a missile to take the weapon at least 25 miles high to trigger the electromagnetic pulse. For nations, such a launch would invite massive nuclear retaliation from the USA's current stockpile of 5,000 warheads, many of them riding in submarines far from any pulse effects.

Any nation giving a terror group an atomic weapon and missile would face retaliation, Butt and others note, as nuclear forensics capabilities at the U.S. national labs would quickly trace the origins of the bomb, Butt says. "It would be suicide."

Super solar storm

On the solar front, the big fear is a solar super storm, a large, fast, coronal mass ejection with a magnetic field that lines up with an orientation perfectly opposite the Earth's own magnetic field, says solar physicist Bruce Tsurutani of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.

Tsuritani and other solar physicists view such an event as inevitable in the next 10 to 100 years.

"It has to be the perfect storm," Tsuratani says.

"We are almost guaranteed a very large solar storm at some point, but we are talking about a risk over decades," Butt says. Three power grids gird the continental U.S. — one crossing 39 Eastern states, one for 11 Western states and one for Texas.

Solutions?

In June, national security analyst Steven Aftergood of the Federation of American Scientists described congressional debate over power-grid security as "a somewhat jarring mix of prudent anticipation and extravagant doomsday warnings."

Although the physics underlying the geomagnetic and nuclear pulses are fundamentally the same, they have different solutions. A geomagnetic storm essentially produces a long-building surge dangerous to power lines and large transformers. A nuclear blast produces three waves of pulses.

Limiting the risk from the geomagnetic-storm-type threat involves stockpiling large transformers and installing dampers, essentially lightning rods, to dump surges into the ground from the grid. Even if such steps cost billions, the numbers come out looking reasonable compared with the $119 billion that a 2005 Electric Power Research Institute report estimated was the total nationwide cost of normal blackouts every year.

"EMP is one of a small number of threats that can hold our society at risk of catastrophic consequences," Graham testified to a congressional committee last year, endorsing such mitigation steps.

Stephen Younger, former head of the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, last year argued against the catastrophic scenarios in his book, The Bomb, suggesting the effects of a pulse would be more random, temporary and limited than Graham and others suggest.

The June NERC report essentially calls for more study of the problem, warning of excessive costs to harden too much equipment against the nuclear risk. "If there are nuclear bombs exploding, we have lots of really, really big problems besides the power grid," Legge says.

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 Post subject: Re: NRA's ad with the President's Daughters
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Iran, the Sun, and the EMP Threat
~~~We are not prepared for an electromagnetic pulse attack. Iran is almost prepared to launch one…

The first thing they will notice is there is no power. Another damn power outage, they will grumble — but then again, there has been no storm. Confused, some will try to call for information, but the phones will be down. The TV, the radio — nothing, no reception.

The panic will come when cars won’t start.

The traffic lights will be out, too. It will get much worse. Most will not survive to see life get back to normal in America.

Thousands will be stranded on subways, and over a million passengers who fly daily across the continent will be stuck at airports with flights canceled. Those already in the air will meet a deadly fate as planes plunge from the sky, their electronics fried.

Within the next few days, water supplies will run out: water-pumping stations will grind to a halt and electric pumps for water purification will also stop. Remaining water supplies will soon become contaminated.

Next is the food supply. Without power, food plants can no longer operate, and without transportation, food inventories in warehouses rot. Many cities will run out of food in just three days, others in just a bit longer.

This will be the result of an electromagnetic pulse attack over the atmosphere of the United States. In less than a billionth of a second, the electrical intensity on Earth becomes so hot that microchips fry, power lines overload, and the electrical grid collapses. Everything with microelectronics in it fails.

Within days, tens of millions of Americans will need to leave their homes looking for water and food. Within five to 10 days, due to water pollution and sanitation issues, many will fall ill — people across America will face starvation, disease, and death. In just one year after the attack, up to two-thirds of the American population will cease to exist.

Our enemies know this. The radicals ruling Iran have openly talked about it as they have called for the destruction of America and a new world order that excludes America. While pursuing their nuclear bomb project, the Revolutionary Guards of Iran have successfully test-launched a ballistic missile from a ship in the Caspian Sea. Recently, they also announced that all their vessels now have been armed with long-range ballistic missiles, and that soon they will start a mission in the Atlantic Ocean that extends into the Gulf of Mexico
~~~ so altho many of the Preppers are alttle out in left field ,it don't hurt to look at some of the things they do and CYA alittle . like a gravity water filter system ,cannig some foods ,maybe some 25 yr survival foods, enough for a month anyway. Arms and ammo. the citees will trun into battle zones and gangs rampaging to get what others might have, best to have a way and place to go out of town . kinda like the LA riots with no cops .their cars wouldn't run in this case if they wanted to show up.

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 Post subject: Re: NRA's ad with the President's Daughters
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Did you ever watch Revolution on NBC?

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 Post subject: Re: NRA's ad with the President's Daughters
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so altho many of the Preppers are alttle out in left field

Like this guy
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We saw him a few times on the program and he makes us laugh the most

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 Post subject: Re: NRA's ad with the President's Daughters
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Dancer wrote:
We saw him a few times on the program and he makes us laugh the most

He may laugh at you someday when you beg him for a morsel of food.


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 Post subject: Re: NRA's ad with the President's Daughters
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Vic wrote:
He may laugh at you someday when you beg him for a morsel of food.

It looks like he has plenty of it

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 Post subject: Re: NRA's ad with the President's Daughters
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Dancer wrote:
It looks like he has plenty of it

He could go 3 months before he has to start tapping into his food supply.


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 Post subject: Re: NRA's ad with the President's Daughters
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Dancer wrote:
Vic wrote:

They could be planning to launch an EMP attack against us. Shortly after that, you would no longer be able to buy food from a store or restaurant. Obama doesn't care, he and his family will be taken care of. Normally, I wouldn't believe that anything like this could ever happen. But with a president as weak as Obama, it is becoming a plausible scenario.

Bla Blah..you predicted all kinds of stuff...But it never happened..And I can prove it


Why are you soooo antagonistic? It is truly sad to watch.


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jadiff wrote:

Why are you soooo antagonistic? It is truly sad to watch.

Please stay out of it

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 Post subject: Re: NRA's ad with the President's Daughters
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Dancer wrote:
jadiff wrote:

Why are you soooo antagonistic? It is truly sad to watch.

Please stay out of it



Dancer you never stay out of anything, so why should anyone else ??.....you HYPOCRITE :lol: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: NRA's ad with the President's Daughters
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Dancer wrote:
jadiff wrote:

Why are you soooo antagonistic? It is truly sad to watch.

Please stay out of it

Answer his question


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 Post subject: Re: NRA's ad with the President's Daughters
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Did you ever watch Revolution on NBC?

~~YUP~~After November 26th, 2012, Revolution will go on hiatus for a holiday break and to catch up on post-production, expected to resume broadcast on March 25th, 2013 for the remaining episodes it's interesting but they went over board ,I would have liked it if it was alittle more realistic than Mad Max rerun

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Dancer wrote:
Newspolice wrote:
so altho many of the Preppers are alttle out in left field

Like this guy
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We saw him a few times on the program and he makes us laugh the most

~~ If I recall correctly [b]they came an took his guns[/b], I thnk he was on some meds or something to that effect. Heres the story ~~ some Doc set him up for a mental ER visit ~~ be sure to trust your doctor http://offgridsurvival.com/doomsdayprepperdeclaredmentaldefective/

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Newspolice wrote:
LocalGrown wrote:
Did you ever watch Revolution on NBC?

~~YUP~~After November 26th, 2012, Revolution will go on hiatus for a holiday break and to catch up on post-production, expected to resume broadcast on March 25th, 2013 for the remaining episodes it's interesting but they went over board ,I would have liked it if it was alittle more realistic than Mad Max rerun

I was referring more to the reason they were in the situation they're in.

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tenringx wrote:
Tell you what, listen to Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity and or Rush, you'll get the picture

This is the picture that I get of them

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You much FUNNIER then those GUYS. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Just think If Al gore had put Dancer on his TV show he wouldn't hav had to sell out to the oil barrens,not that he cared he made his billion on the fools.

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